Life-Changing Challengers
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Shadows of the Mob: Aiden Gabor's Journey from Crime to Redemption
Imagine growing up surrounded by the shadows of organized crime, where family gatherings are anything but typical. Aiden Gabor takes us on a thrilling journey through his childhood on the East Coast, intertwined with mob activities and notorious figures. From delivering covert packages to learning the ropes of a criminal lifestyle, Aiden's candid retelling of his formative years offers an eye-opening glimpse into a world few can fathom. Despite being diagnosed with sociopathic tendencies, his experiences paint a vivid picture of loyalty and criminal influence shaping his early worldview.
As Aiden transitions to his teenage years, he finds himself at a crossroads between criminal entanglements and a promising football career. We explore the crucial moment when Eddie's advice steers him toward college football as the FBI tightens its net around their activities. This chapter captures the essence of mentorship and the drastic shift from a life of crime to one filled with new opportunities and emotional farewells. Aiden's determination to pursue higher education while staying connected with Eddie's son underscores the enduring impact of guidance and encouragement during tumultuous times.
In a dramatic twist, Aiden's cooperation with the Department of Justice as an undercover informant unfolds, leading to a tense career in law enforcement fraught with moral dilemmas and personal struggles. His battles with alcoholism and the mental strain of his profession highlight the darker side of his journey. Yet, Aiden's embrace of the Bahá'í faith marks a turning point, guiding him toward redemption and a commitment to bettering the world through education and spirituality. From the gripping tales of his past to the inspiring transformation into a beacon of hope, Aiden Gabor's story is a testament to resilience and the power of personal growth.
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All right and we're back for another episode of Life Changing Challengers. I'm your host, brad Minus, and I am really excited about this one. This is going to be a little bit of a departure from our normal episode. I have with me Aidan Gabor, who has a very interesting story and a challenge that he faced and he got over, and he did it in really, really different way, and I'm gonna just let him talk now. His voice is masked a little bit for reasons you're going to find out, but this is really exciting. I'm leaving the mystery to him because it's that exciting. There's challenge to it, but it's going to be interesting and you're going to love it. So, aiden, how you doing pretty good, pretty good. But how are you doing
Brad Minus:Pretty good, pretty good, brad? How are you doing, sir?
Brad Minus:So I'll ask you the question Can you tell us a little bit about your childhood, where you grew up? What was the complement of your family and what was the environment like?
Aiden Gabor:Well, I grew up East Coast. My family was basically my parents and myself as an only child. It was a great family. It was a great atmosphere, but my dad was an associate with a crime family this is how they put it. But I started out young with them. We would have family gatherings and we would get like all the people I worked in the old country would show up and we would have a great dinner. Growing up young, learning a lot of things, seeing a lot of things, growing, up.
Brad Minus:So what kind of things are we talking about here? Be as specific or not specific as you can, oh it's a lot of things.
Aiden Gabor:I mean, we used to get a bunch of kids. I would get most couples because we'd be outside and the boys would be boys. We'd get in fights with guys that are six, seven years old. I would win a lot of them because I was big for my size. I used to come in and they're like what happened? My mom and stuff were like nothing. I fell and it grew up to that way. We would have all these family functions with everybody around in our little crew and the dad's crew and all that. I just started learning things.
Aiden Gabor:One day Eddie came up to me, which was like the head of the little area there, and he said hey, do me a favor, come on out, ride your bike out to the garage, which was like a garage slash social club type of thing. I rode my bike there and he would be like hey, do me a favor, take this package, drop it off, don't look at it and then come straight back here, don't talk to anybody, and then if they give you something sometimes they do, sometimes they don't just bring it back and I'm like all right, back then you respected your elders when they would ask you, especially my dad's friends associates that when they tell you something, you really don't be a smartass. And I would do that and I'd come back. It'd be $20, $30, and I would run with my buddies to the candy store and live like a king. And yeah, that's how it all started, because I got weaker doing this for a while.
Aiden Gabor:I got to 15, 16. They I got the 1560. They taught me how to drive. They taught me how to shoot a gun. They taught me a bunch of things around the shop and stuff. And I'd go out there. I'd sweep and clean and see a lot of things, hear a lot of things, people coming here now like police officers, politicians, guys dropping off cars, gang members. They would steal cars from the chopper, slash social club, slash a little collection area, I guess you can say, and a couple other things. And that's how it all started with that, when I was young and worked my way up.
Brad Minus:Well, that's. I mean you're basically describing every mob movie known to man. Obviously, some of the obviously there's ones that are just totally outlandish, but some of them obviously they're getting it right. Would you say that it's just?
Aiden Gabor:yeah, just your club. You got together. You can make a big deal out of it. It used to be a half a garage. They had worked on cars, but most of the vehicles in there they would steal and chop them up. That's how they made money, along with phone sharking, gambling. They had prostitution, but I was never allowed to go near the girls. I was young. I had a lesson just learning about girls. Most of it got it right, but there's a lot they didn't get right. In the movies. I had a bad temper, a lot of guys would say. I was diagnosed even young, with no empathy for people. I was diagnosed as a bone-winding sociopath. So I kind of fit in pretty good with some of the things they were looking for them pretty good with some of the things they were looking for.
Brad Minus:Did you find that you, even though you might not have had this empathy, you still knew right from wrong?
Aiden Gabor:You know I really didn't. I didn't care, I was having fun. I'll be honest with you To this day. You learn over the years and you get wisdom, but I really, back then, I was never afraid to die. I'm still not afraid, but it's more of a let me say it sucks to be. That type of attitude is what it is, man, that's gotta hurt and rather choke them like. Nowadays we watch anything that has any blood or gore, which my wife doesn't like to because I love it. So someone's head or leg snapping out and all that stuff. I think it's the funniest thing and I'm working on that every day. I just find it amusing and I don't know why.
Aiden Gabor:My mom, when I was younger, used to be a little concerned, but I was a mom of a boy, like every guy, I think, is. He wasn't a major, but he was always on the road working with his other job. These guys accepted me, I think based off because I didn't care. I would go out and do what was needed to get done. I didn't care what it was, pure loyalty. She grew up with respect and loyalty to family. They became my family because I didn't have any brothers or sisters. My father really wasn't around, my mom was, and I would see these guys every day and we have family together and that was my family interesting.
Brad Minus:So actually then, from what I'm listening to, because the influence of your and then you had the family, that's kind of where you learned you're right and wrong was because this is where your environment was.
Aiden Gabor:Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would. I would agree. There was no telling you. You know you'll talk against them, just if you get in trouble you take it. I've had several times in my life and it almost got me once really bad. I never said anything against the crew I worked with. I never said a word when I was told that's when we get at. That was not where my social loyalties was partly there, but I never went against them. It was my second part of my life that it became an issue when I started getting alcoholism and stuff.
Brad Minus:We're going to get to that in a minute. I was just more thinking about you know right and wrong. For you, Right was you had complete loyalty to the family. If you want to go through the hierarchy, you don't have to list names, but who was at the top, who was in the middle bosses? However, it's actually done. That's cool. If this guy said something and he said it for you to do it, you're going to do it because of the loyalty of the family. So that, to you, was the right thing to do. Yes.
Aiden Gabor:Especially if Eddie, who was our comedy, he would tell us what to do. And if he did it, you know there was Nicky, who was really second, but Nicky was only involved. He was friends with my dad. But if Nicky was involved then you don't want to be part of it and he's the one who taught me how to use an ice pick, how to shoot. Most of the time I just saw him playing cards in there. Then we had Dominic, which was more of the enforcer, and I went under his wing, even though he really didn't like me. We had Joey and a couple other guys in there, Even though everybody was technically above me. We all kind of at that point at the same level than Eddie and Dominic and Nikki. Everybody else was together.
Aiden Gabor:You know, as a crew we all had tempers, go to the fire, but anytime we didn't just kill people or do anything to somebody. If they had a problem we would deal with. They screwed up. If I was, if my pretty face was visiting you just because you owe money or you didn't do something, you brought this on yourself and you know, nobody showed up. All I tell them that he really violates was against other crews that they're punching. You don't come into our area, we don't go into your area. So I go to your area, I'm expecting trouble. And if you come to the mine, don't care what it's for, but in trouble. And if you come to the mine, don't care what it's for, but you know not unless they're inviting you in there, that's really a problem against other crews.
Aiden Gabor:You know, when we did collect, sometimes you had to give a little extra incentive. A lot of guys would kill a baseball basket. You'd just admit in the ball and you can't. You'd get pulled over. You can't do anything to you Because I'm ready to play baseball anytime if you just have a bath and then you kind of die a little bit of a. So there's a way to. And the way it was. You know everybody uses the baseball bat. Yeah, because that's how you get away with it. I don't really want to say I write people on the ankles. That was me. You go to the ground, you're not getting back up. You let the crawl to me. Now I'm over you, I have complete control and I got your full attention. Other guys would hit high. I went right for your ankles, you went down and then I had control Because you're not the crawl line. You ain't getting up if your ankles are screwed up. Unfortunately, as stupid as I think it is nowadays, I feel funny news for me.
Brad Minus:If you watch MMA, some of those first initial hits you start to see them hitting in the leg, but a lot of those guys are trying to sweep up from those ankles. Obviously, if you've got professional MMA fighters and that's what they're doing, the same thing they might be using their legs instead of a baseball bat, but they're still hitting that. Obviously there's something to it. The interesting thing is that. So I don't tell a lot of people anything. I kind of just throw little tidbits in the podcast.
Brad Minus:But I was an actor for a while. I did some screen work. I kind of laugh at people getting shot and beat up in movies because I know how they put the makeup on and how they CG everything together. I know how that put the makeup on and how they CG everything together. I know how that's all done. I'm coming from the other end. It's interesting that you say that. What I find really fascinating right now, what I find hilarious, is have you seen this series called the Boys on Amazon? No, I have not. Okay, I get it. You want to see something really gory? Oh, it's crazy. It's like ad superheroes. They're like pulling arms out of sockets and pulling heads off and lasering with their eyes like people's faces in half. Yeah, if you really want to find something really entertaining, that's it. That's something to watch, but anyway, let's move on, so I'll look into that.
Aiden Gabor:I like world war ii documentary. That's what I watch, because I don't watch the news, because the world pisses me off. I I don't think you look at that Sounds interesting.
Brad Minus:Yeah, it's fiction. Obviously it's bad superheroes, but it's kind of fun. For me it's really fun because I'm like, how did they do that? And I'll rewind and slow it down and figure out. Okay, so then this part is CG, but this part is makeup. So what would you say as far as the baseball bat and that type of thing? Can you say how old you were about that point or the range of the ages that you were?
Aiden Gabor:When I started working with Dominic I was about 16. I was really big for my age and I didn't care. I was a really good football player in the area and I really, really. You know, it wasn't like a 24-7 with these guys. It was mostly when I had time to go over there, but it was a lot of time. That's all I can say. Were you going to school? Yeah, I was going to school before I started driving. I would go over there on the weekends or after school if I didn't have football. We only at that time. We did a couple days a week and then, if not, we'd be out after school and I would go over there. I never had a third field. My mother never. I mean, at first we had the be-home-but-when-the-street-lights came out, but that's when my dad was home. My dad was never home, so my mom was like where are you going? I'm going to go see Eddie in the shop. Help me, like I do a little side job. She's like, oh, okay, and that would be it Interesting.
Brad Minus:So basically, this is just like normal life. You know, go to school and you had this hard time job with your family. So what happened after you graduated high school?
Aiden Gabor:You know, I stayed there when I was graduating high school until one day Eddie came up to me and says I'm leaving, everybody's getting arrested, the FBI's here. You've never been arrested. You have a chance to play football in college, go do it, make something different. And he's like no, we need to go. There's just a lot of heat coming down and we're all probably going to go. He goes, mike, I said I'm leaving and just do me a favor. Every now and then, keep an eye on my son. And I'm like, okay, and that was the last time I ever seen Eddie. And he took off. The FBI caught him. I went to school. Oh, quick, and that was what I did. You know, okay, what do I do? When Eddie got a hold of me, drove up to me. They already arrested Dominic and Nikki and all them. They already had been arrested, so he was taken off and that was the last time I ever saw him. I talked to him one time after that, that was it. But I kept in touch with his son.
Brad Minus:And to this day, I'm still in contact with his son. Okay, so did you graduate college?
Aiden Gabor:No, I did not.
Brad Minus:Yeah, I was going to ask that. Hey, what happened? So?
Aiden Gabor:when I got to college. I'm sitting there and I'm in my dorm and these two clowns show up and I'm looking at them and I'm like, okay, what the hell are they? And they start started telling me. They flashed these little credentials and shit. For you know, we're from the Department of Justice. They said they wanted to talk to me. I go, my name is Lewis, no, I'm not going to tell them to F-A-L. But I stopped and thought, okay, if they talk to me, do they get a picture? So I want to find out what they want, what they wanted. So let's go get some meat, all right, whatever. So I went with them. We went to this restaurant. I remember it had a green roof. We went in there and five factors sitting there and they ordered their coffee and they turned this little holder on the table and they were like, hey, look inside, it's a great picture, you're going to love these pictures. I'm like, all right. So I opened up and there was a picture of me with Eddie and me with Dominic, nick and my dad with Eddie, and it was my mom with Eddie and Dominic and Nick and Eddie driving my mom. I'm like, okay, let's just do this.
Aiden Gabor:You know, there's these new laws called the WECO laws. You ever heard of these? I have no clue. Well, when everybody got less, everybody're like everybody got continuing loss. We got you for what? 70 years we're continuing a federal prison. You know what that is? I'm like I have no clue. I don't have to see what they're talking and I'm thinking okay, big deal, and they were going to arrest your dad, which, honestly, it appraised me when they said they were going to arrest my mother in the same charities.
Aiden Gabor:I grew up in Montezboy. I don't care what anybody out there says. I talked to my mom every single day until the day she died. In fact, I was sitting with her when she passed. Well, this day, that's what scared the shit out of me. I didn't care about me. I didn't really care about my dad, I cared about my mother and that's what got me.
Aiden Gabor:You know, you always find someone's got a kink in the armor and I'm like well, we need to think about it. You look at seven years and you're a coward Borg. Look up in the library what the Rico wants? And I'm like I don't know. They threw some paper at me and dropped me back off and for two months I sat there. I played like shit. I was terrible. I couldn't sleep and I'm reading. I thought I was just reproaching and they just came out they're going after everybody, they're going to use it any way they can. They came back and said what do you need me to do? I mean what? I ain't saying shit, I'm editing. We can give a shit about anything, we don't care. We want you to do something else and we'll let you know, but right now you need to flunk out of school.
Brad Minus:Sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you because it is something still kind of new. You know what everybody thinks about when they hear RICO Is AOC going. Rico is not a crime, it is a category Anyway. So if you can help us out with the exact definition of the RICO crimes, I was told anything they do with organized crime.
Aiden Gabor:They can come after you. They can use it against you. They can tie everything together. I think it was based on mostly the casinos. They basically roll everything up together so they can tie you with a bunch of things you may just be associated with but you can be pulled into is the way I work and I'm going to be honest. I was young and dumb and had no clue that it was how we were going to get fucked. But not back then. I was scared for my mom and everyone I was worried about. They were going to put my mother in jail. It's a D'Arrico Act.
Brad Minus:That's what it is Racketeer, influence and corrupt organizations. You're exactly on the nose, really. So, anyway, it's a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and civil cause for action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. You're totally right on the nose, I get it. There's two things you're going to do for your mom You're either taking somebody out or you're going to do what they tell you. Absolutely. What'd you end up doing?
Aiden Gabor:They told me parties, play around with the college girls. We'll give you some money and I do. And then I got home and they said, okay, meet us. We're about like an hour and a half away at another restaurant and he told me okay, this is what we need to do. We want you to get on this police department, because what are you kidding me? You want me to do what? Yeah, I'm just a part of me. We do somebody we want you to work at. We think you put right in and we want you to test yourself on. That's what they told me. And they told me to get the apartment. And I'm like are you kidding?
Brad Minus:They want you to flunk out of college, to go and be a cop.
Aiden Gabor:Yeah, I wouldn't pull a pants on my cold back to school and my dad would lose him there. Why not? I wouldn't be a cop. Well, my mom's just left the kitchen. My dad's just like. You'll be a flatfoot, are you giving me out of my face? And I just talked to my dad for 10 years after that. My mother was like okay, this is what you want, aiden. All right, I'll support you. I know your dad's your car. You'll get over it. To this day. I still think that's one of the reasons my parents got the points.
Aiden Gabor:So they told me, get out of this department. I tested and got out. Nobody said anything to me. I went through the interviews. They really didn't ask because I was never arrested anywhere.
Aiden Gabor:When I got out, they told me they wanted me to get close to this officer. His name was Terry. They believed he was doing hits on the side. I'm just like, seriously, since what you want me there for? Yeah, so you ever met anybody with the most embracing personality you ever met? Who's the biggest ass? And you just thought what a dick. Yeah, that was him. So I started talking to him. They were like when the fuck are you talking to him? He's a jackass. He has no friends. That guy, he's not a bad guy.
Aiden Gabor:So eight, nine months later, we started going out and drinking. This all led to me becoming an alcoholic. When I started going out and drinking with this clown, after seven months of drinking and getting to know him, he just kind of came out. He goes I know you. I'm looking at him. He goes yeah, I don't know you, I've been with you before. No, no, I know, I've seen you before. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's a department. He goes no, no, you ran with Eddie. I'm like, okay, that's my kid, I was a kid. He's like, no, no, well, you did the route.
Aiden Gabor:When they always do something like that, I'm looking with a crew right now and I'm like man, you need to shut up about this. He's drinking more. He's like, yeah, I've done a couple of hits for these guys. And I'm just thinking to myself why. Maybe he says I know, you understand what I'm talking about. You know how it is working with the crew. We didn't.
Aiden Gabor:We went out and wife came out and a couple times she got drunk and she started crying and tell him I can't take it anymore and I'm like you need to shut up. We went back to that place and this is where she's losing it. He went to bed and kind of passed out and I'm talking, you just need to shut up about it. All right, jay, I'm using it. I just can't take it anymore. He's done so many bad things, you know. He told me you'll get it as you try. You know you'll understand, but he's done it and he's supposed to not be doing it. Well, I play up.
Aiden Gabor:I went and met these two jackasses and I told them hey, you need to. I mean, I was going to talk, you can talk to her. I mean, even though your husband can't go away, does she come see you? Yes, she can. And they ended up giving them everything they wanted from me. I go okay.
Aiden Gabor:Now, when I was told when I started this that I was going in as an informant, not undercover, something goes wrong. There's no one going to back you up, and I'm like, okay, so you need me to testify. They go no, that's not what you're doing. We just want the information to get the arrests. If you testify, you're one and done. You're no use to us that way, we have other plans for you.
Aiden Gabor:After they started arresting him, everybody's calling to hey, did your buddy got arrested. Yeah, they came and arrested. Terry, you need to, what are you doing? And at that time a couple of the officers you know resigned looked at me. Oh, I resigned.
Aiden Gabor:So it didn't look like anything out of the ordinary, it was like rats leaving the ship. I looked and I told them okay, well, I looked because we do. Then they looked at me and tell me we weren't getting a department in the town I grew up in. Well, eddie and them ran up like you guys are assholes, I mean plenty assholes, and that's what they wanted just to get a department Again, get out. And when I went there, the mayor and all of them I used to bring stuff to and take money from or whatever, looked at me and said Aiden, yeah, I mean, yes, sir, we are here, you can get a line and do what you're told. I'm like yes, sir, whatever you need. I had the commissioner and the mayor. He's like okay, so how do you do that? Well, you do whatever needs to get done. I'll do whatever you need. I will turn the line. That's what we need. Yes, sir, right now, now, and that's what they wanted me. I ended up in my career as a consul, police officer, commissioner, mayor, some of the other politicians.
Brad Minus:Wow. So when they told you to toe the line, I just want to double check because obviously you know, as you had mentioned before when you were in the club the commissioner, the mayor, those people would frequent this club, so they know exactly who you are. So when you said toes a line, did they mean toe the line law and order, or did they mean toe the line You're going to do what they tell you, in other words, go into more of the criminal aspect of it?
Aiden Gabor:I. I, mine, just says yeah, that's what they meant. When you say club, it wasn't a club per se, it was like a social club. People would come in, nobody really knew it. They wouldn't go there to socialize, they were there to drop off stuff. Most of the time I would take stuff to them and pick it up at different locations or, when I was younger, to their businesses.
Aiden Gabor:I was told I can't talk about this. You know, I got married at that time, couldn't talk to my ex-mother, couldn't talk to anybody and it was eating me up. So I started drinking and I just became an Arabian Northern golfer and I got extremely. I still remember the hallucinations I would get. I know at least 200, 300 times I woke up with a .357 next to me with a wound in it. I know I played Russian roulette and for some reason God had a reason for that. There were some times there were three wounds in the six-wound in the chambers. It never went off. My buddy died, which was a police officer at the time, who was my best friend growing up, found me in a hotel, drunk as can be, and was gone for three days, and my ex didn't really give a shit, michael, and the plane was sort of coming at me, because where I was running Eddie and the family when you get in the law enforcement you've got this thing called the BNY. It's a family thing, so you do not cross against your brothers and sisters. You kind of have blinders on and if you do something that causes them to go to jail or something like that, you're dead. If they figure out it's you, you basically get shot. So you might as well just leave. And that's where I got really
Aiden Gabor:bad. I knew these guys as kids. I knew they weren't good guys. I knew what they were doing. They weren't good guys. But I had to think why am I going against the blue line here? That was my conflicting part. I was very like, yeah, but I was going against everybody and I was all evil for doing this. Growing up I hated cops, but then I realized they have to walk in a mile in their shoes and see in the cesspools or what they dealt with. I mean today and the way I look at it too is one bad cop makes 100,000 good cops look bad. I'm thinking if these people walk one day in a big city in a police officer's shoes, you would understand a little better what these men and women go through, just like the military. You were the father of the
Aiden Gabor:military. Well, my parents were younger. They grew up in World War II, which was first the Nazis and then the Russians. They were in Budapest country, so they grew up with communism, with Nazism and communism. If people want to know what that's like, go out and figure it out. It's not pleasant. My mom and dad were partisans. I read a book from a woman that said if your parents did something very bad, generically you're going to do something bad. I was reading that. It sometimes comes back. It appears that my mom was the scariest person in the world, that she would go to her shoulders with this long knife and stab him to death and run off. And she was like nine years old, ten years old. And this is where the Russians came in and raped all the women and stuff. And my mom had a hatred. She told the day she died to her oh, that was in the women and stuff. And my mom had a hatred.
Brad Minus:She told the day she died of her. Oh, that was the Bible.
Aiden Gabor:Yes, but she made it like my dad said. She made a game out of it, killing as many as she could to get back from what they did to her and her sisters. He said that's the only woman ever scared her and, honestly, it's the only person scared me and my mother. And now, honestly, it's only person to care for me and my mother. And now you know, I didn't find this out until several years ago. My father and I found we had a chair. I thought it was really bad. I was a really bad alcoholic.
Brad Minus:I was trying to commit suicide. I mean I can imagine, because I mean the confliction is actually got to be just horrible because you've got the family you grew up with and your biological family, who you love tremendously, obviously, and now you've made more friends because you're on the right side of the blue line. But you're doing this because you're protecting your mother. So I got a matter of yeah in the back of your mind. I'm thinking, yeah, this is for my mom, this is my mother, I'm protecting my mother. These guys are telling me that if I don't do this, they're gonna put my mother in jail. But doesn't keep you from having these feelings going on inside you going. I'm getting torn apart here. So it makes complete sense. How long did you end up on the police force in your hometown about?
Aiden Gabor:About 15 years, probably about 13. It was all kinds of shit going on About, yeah, close to 14 years, right around there. I remember the day I left. It was the last one everybody's leaving the ship and I ended up going to work at a different place they wanted me to work at it would end up being really nothing at a casino. And then at the end of it they just said, okay, thanks for everything, bye, here's a stipend. And that was the end of it.
Aiden Gabor:Yeah, I thought going through all this made me overcome. I'm like not, gene man, but look what I made you. They first said you want to do weakness protection and I'm like no, my mother's. Oh, I'll leave the cat park, I'm not worried. My ex had no clue. I got injured one time under the permit, so this is all coming from the being injured, the bunny, and then she ended up giving it all to her sister, which was the last straw. I ended up meeting an amazing woman at the casino which is like a boss of mine and she's the love of my life. She is like I also found a Baha'i face. I don't know if you know what that is. I became a Baha'i.
Aiden Gabor:I was not a spiritual person. During this whole ordeal I've had guns pointed at me, shot at all. That there's no atheist in a foxhole, that's true. But you know, I grew up Catholic but we never went to church. And after a while a buddy of mine, sam with Don Don, who grew up, went to a Catholic high school, said hey, we got to decide to find faith. And my buddy Sam gave me a bunch of signatures and I was. My wife called him and said she's having night terrors, he's screaming, he's tight, he's actually hand cupped me, he's punched a wall, it's getting bad. So the book was not going to be a book. I didn't want to do it, but Sam said it's therapy, you need to do it, you need to do this, we're therapy, let's start out therapy. And then we talked he knows about 80% of what I did, my wife knows about 90% and my buddy Don knows about 90%. And I became a Baha'i and I don't understand Somebody not being spiritual all of a sudden becomes spiritual. I felt different.
Brad Minus:I didn't like the feeling. It's interesting, I do learning classes a couple days a week, Nice, I got to tell you I've only got a couple of sentences. I was interested in the Bahá'í faith faith and this is outstanding, the definition of it. The Baha'i faith is a religion founded in the 19th century that teaches the essential worth of all religions and the unity of all people. That's beautiful. That's what we need.
Aiden Gabor:I'm gonna tell you I didn't think that I was reading it from Red Dead, sam and I felt different. I've always believed that men and women were equal. You know anybody's household. Their mother would rent a house. Their wife rents a house. My wife rents a house, my mom rents. We're equal. We make decisions together. You know, sam says you be the best by how you can be.
Aiden Gabor:We're not supposed to drink Okay, we're on medication. You're not supposed to swear. I swear like a truck driver. I carry a gun with me and an ice pick with me everywhere I go. They're both always on me Because people try to.
Aiden Gabor:I've had several attempts. Come in, you're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. I do about 50%. I'm a working project. I read every day. I do the Bible class. The reading class is a couple days a week and I am trying.
Aiden Gabor:I'm going to tell you something. I believe you're right. We need this now in this world. We need you. All religions, we all believe in the same God. It's just different messengers. The upper Baha'i believes in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. This is what I found very interesting. I love about the Baha'i faith is we all work together. We need to work together. Don't kill the people or whatever. We all bleed red. We just need to understand us, get rid of racism. You know, I grew up racism. Yes, I went through our first years of racism. Yes, there is to a point, but it goes both ways. We need to work together, get rid of this, and it's going to maybe be a thousand years, maybe two thousand, but hopefully one day we're going to be able to work together and live together without butchering each other. I kind of look at that, because butchering somebody doesn't faze me, but we need to stop it as a race.
Brad Minus:Yeah, no, I agree, and some of this you know. What's really super interesting is that the worldwide Baha'i community is in Haifa, israel. Yes, the Shrine of Bab, yeah, the Shrine of Bab originally the top race, the top religions, you know Christianity, judaism, muslim are the three that we everybody thinks about in Christianity being you know, and then obviously several different sects of Christianity, and they all originated from David, and the temple of David is in Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem. All of this is in Israel. Now you're talking about the Shrine of Babas in Haifa. So you've got me super interested. I grew up Jewish and I'm intrigued. I'm going to look at more about that later. Maybe, when things come, when we see you somewhere down the line, we can have a good discussion on Baha'i just on its own. Well, my mom was dying on her deathbed.
Aiden Gabor:It was just her and I sitting there. My youngest, my oldest was there, but he was lost the room. My mom says to me I need to tell you this that I'm Jewish. I'm like Mom, stop. And she's like no, I was used to being a hater from the Nazis and we hid it from the Russians because they were killing everybody. But I didn't want to tell you because we took your father's religion. So I found out my mother was Jewish, which kind of gets me like this. And a buddy of mine is Jewish and he he's just like yeah, you know, this is how the world works. That could be another reason why my mom was so adamant that for Nazis and Russians it's just, like I said, small world. And then, finally, I found a Bahá'í faith. I'll tell you it's an amazing faith. I want to go to Israel and thanks to Hamas, that threw a monkey wrench in there. So one day I'm hoping to see Haifa and everything before I leave.
Brad Minus:You know these first few. I don't know anything about the teachings, but this few little paragraphs that I've written actually conforms into Judaism as well, because we actually teach a tolerance and acceptance of all religions. It's always been taught that way. Without getting too political, israel, you know, everybody keeps going on and saying you know, israel is evil in this whole deal. But they're not. There's no other religion or there's no other religion or countries in the world that have ever sat there and sent out millions of text messages and papered propaganda to a place before they decided to bomb it. There's. No one's ever done so. That throws all that stuff out the window, even though people keep bringing it up. It just shows that all of the different agreements and treaties we tried to do with Palestine, they were trying to include them. This was just the last straw. We've tolerated this for a hundred years, for hundreds of years. We're done.
Aiden Gabor:And that was just the last straw years for hundreds of years we're done, and that was just the last straw. You can't stop Judaism unless you completely destroy it. Muslims are going to keep coming back and doing the same thing. And Israel, for what? 1,000, 4,000 years have been really tolerating this? And Israel is the protector of the Baha'i faith Because it's in Israel. Baha'is are not supposed to be violent unless you're protecting your family. Well, to me, the Jews, judaism, the Jews are my family.
Aiden Gabor:I don't have a problem taking out Hamas, because Hamas is an evil organization. They do need to be eradicated and unless it's never going to stop, it's going to wait another 15, 20 years and it'll be the same thing what they did to those women and children about the Earth's juice. I'm even disgusted by that ship. That's bullshit. They need to pay for it. I don't care what it takes, and nobody knows inside of my hand what they're paying for all this because they all have the same mantra, the same exact thing at every camp is what's the odds? I've seen it. You wouldn't know what a Jewish person you know. Yeah, they're just evil, Really. Why? Because they're attacking, although they're really great. They love games. Yeah, let's see seven couple over.
Brad Minus:See how they do right, right, that's the biggest joke of them all the queers for palestine. I can show you. There's some man on the street, videos of them going into the west bank, these youtubers that do man on the street. And they walked into the west bank and they said, hey, if you found out that your friend happened to be gay, what would you do? And I'm like, oh, I need to report them. And what would happen to them if you reported them? They would either go to jail or they would be killed. Nonchalant, like very nonchalant, no tolerance, nothing, and it's not always.
Aiden Gabor:Yeah, I should always worry of with the women is an object they're basically have, that it's property. It's not a human. You know, a man is without women.
Brad Minus:Yeah, I mean the Palestinians voted in Hamas in 2005. We're still saying, oh, you're eradicating the Palestinians. No, we're trying to get rid of Hamas. Israel's only using 30% of its military in Gaza. They could have just carpet bombed both Gaza and the West Bank and said, okay, now we're done, now we rebuild, and it'll all be Israel. They could have just done that if they really wanted genocide. Yeah, you've been over with. Yeah, you've been over with Including the UN and the ICC. Who wants to bring them up on charges? I'm just like, oh, yeah, I heard that one that one is.
Aiden Gabor:they're bringing everyone's name up for charges against humanity. That'd be paining right. What about the leaders of Hamas? Would you do the thing? Oh yeah, I would. I know, I know he's good, you're kidding me. They're killing people because they're Catholics. If you're the one who caught my ram, you'll get it. That's it, you know. So you know the bomb they started in Persia, iran. You know the bar they started in Persia, iran. And if he'll call through I've got people I know whose family members were arrested and murdered I went. He's all you got. You're behind. You just need to tell everybody you're not a Baha'i, no, we're not. Well, we're going to kill you.
Aiden Gabor:And they did it. And it's the same thing. If you look, everything would preach itself. Nazism started out. You take away their guns, you win a religion, take over the media and then take over the people. Russia did it, italy did it, Germany started it. And Russia, how many genocide population did they get rid of? But it's okay, because they were winners in a great war. But yeah, nazism needed to go. But yeah, nazis needed to go. Fascism in Italy needed to go, the thing you're looking at now. How are they doing? They're doing it from within. They're brainwashing these college students and you know, and that's what they do. They're just going to. You know, all these kids. When they get caught up in it, we're thinking like, oh, we made a wrong mistake, they'll wait by the time they keep going the way they're going.
Brad Minus:So it's an interesting subject that you brought up. Is that like coming at us from within? It's actually called, there's a word for it, and it came up in the 80s when we were looking at communism in Russia ideological subversion, right, and there's four stages. The first step is demoralization and it takes about 15 to 20 years and that's been happening. You can see it, you know, in the 50s, 60s, 70s. Yeah, there were some drugs, but basically we had traditional nuclear families mom, dad, kids. They stay together for the kids even if they were not happy, but they stay together for the kids to make sure that everything was about the children.
Brad Minus:Nowadays we have a 50% divorce rate because people don't understand that marriage is cyclical. You're not always in love with your spouse. You have times when you're madly in love with them and then you love them, but maybe at the time you're not in love with them. Then you'll be in love with them again. It just goes like this but but, americans, we've gotten to the point where we hit that first little lull. It could be financial, and all of a sudden it's like, oh no, screw this, I'm not happy, so therefore I need to be divorced. It's bull, yeah. So that's part of the demoralization. And then, of course, now we've got like what is it called? Only fans and like porns run a rampant.
Brad Minus:And now we've got the second stage, which is where I believe we are right now. The second stage is destabilization, and that's where I think we are, because we've got both sides. We've got the left and the right, and while the right is a little bit more tolerant, the left is like oh, the minute you believe different from them, you're not a friend. There's healthy discourse. So it's completely destabilized. Then, of course, stage three is crisis, which I think we're walking into. And then stage four is normalization, meaning that everything we just went through becomes normal and part of life, which is wrong. No-transcript. Probably January. The first protest was actually interesting enough. October 9th Is that so close.
Brad Minus:Do you know when the first actual bombing was from Israel?
Aiden Gabor:I'm going to say it's a couple weeks later, right October 10th.
Brad Minus:The first protest because there was a couple of days where they were sending pamphlets and saying, hey, we're attacking, you guys need to get out of this. So they sent 48 hours for people to get out of there. That was October 8th. October 9th there was a protest. They didn't bomb until October 10th. How did they get a protest organized so fast and before Israel took one action fast and before Israel took one action?
Aiden Gabor:That's amazing. I didn't even know that it's all planned. You're right, it was all planned, and that's how they get you from with them.
Brad Minus:Right, exactly, that's Iran. I believe Iran had sleeper cells and this is my conspiracy theory. I'm willing to admit it. But I believe that Iran had social posts and things going on with some sleeper cells out here in the US with people on the button going in Iran and Iran goes OK, hamas go, and social posts went everywhere and started getting people riled up and because our children are so brainwashed by social media, they just went to that direction and that's what happened.
Aiden Gabor:My youngest. He's a big conspirator. He's on the same train. He's going against these kids. He said Dad, you're kidding me. He said it was the super cells that got across the country and let everybody in and that they started doing things Iran and China, they're getting all their little bombers in here. And they said that Hamas and all the other terror organizations have sent their people into cartels of everybody. They got cells all over them. He says within several months, dad, stuff's going to start blowing up.
Brad Minus:So to bring us back, do you see any parallels? Like you had a crew and then you had crews from other families, and then now you went into the police force.
Aiden Gabor:It's like there's some similarities in there. Right, it's a small world and everything somehow comes together in one way shape or form. I became religious and I believe I was. I got aos, so I joke that god's got a sense of humor. You did, did this, you know. You did this. We're screwing with you right now. Before dying, I'm going to give you some drilling and screw it. I'm going to give you that he's got a sense of humor and he's going to make you pay, make someone repent. But you cannot get off.
Aiden Gabor:I get asked do you regret what you've done in your life? No One hesitation would have been. When they first came to me, I was trying to get far. Other than that, I have no regrets. I think when I started doing the law enforcement part of it, at first I was kicking and screaming, but I did it and after a while I realized you know what People need to know that there's people out there stopping bad law enforcement, bad cops out there. They're trying to get on the streets, but I didn't make the place better.
Aiden Gabor:And now, as a Baha'i, we need to work together in the war. Do I believe, as a Baha'i, that Hamas needs to be eradicated? Yes, I do for what they've done. They're never going to stop. You have to stop evil by somewhat being evil. Unfortunately, that's the only way it's going to happen working together Eventually. After all this is said and done, maybe we can work together and make the world a better place.
Aiden Gabor:Politics aside, that's the nerve of me. Someone will only be powerful in religion. Somebody wants to be powerful in politics, somebody wants to be powerful in politics. You're always going to have that one person hit where Stalin, who wants to take over the world. Unfortunately, that's in our DNA. One day we're going to somehow get that out of our DNA. I'm making fun of them. We can kind of learn from animals. They don't fight. You're kidding me, the witch fight are the real animals. They fight all the time. I told you they have more of the territory. They're going to fight, for it's an instinct and we have that in us. But we also have to remember us to exactly what Israel's doing to bend yourself and stop it. I don't care what anybody says. I will get no face. I ain't going to back up.
Brad Minus:No, I totally disagree, especially if you're talking from the Baha'i standpoint. You're talking about that essential worth of all religions and you know when it's not facing persecution. If you're not going to be part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Therefore, you need to be eradicated so the rest of humankind can live and live peacefully. I disagree that. You're stupid like that. I think you're right on the nose and living your faith. That's how I feel.
Aiden Gabor:Thank you, I try every day. In Mr Rui's class. I was trying to import, but I'll write to her every day In Miss Rudy class. That was kind of important, but I'll talk to you guys later. But yeah, we were on the subject. We got up because you know what it's right. That's how life is. You know, I wrote a book on my life. Do I have what chapters? Maybe I have. I didn't put everything in it. I put maybe a third. I wanted to make it short but it wasn't too long. I was not making a Bible out of it. I wanted to get all of my stuff, but I wanted to get my young life. I wanted to get the law, of course. I wanted to get the law part and I wanted to get my religion, because I believe people need to have something spiritually. Don't be like I was. Come out of that dark, join the light and see what it's like.
Brad Minus:It's actually better on this side, you know, and that's how I look at it. So what Aidan is talking about is his book called Conflicting Loyalties, and I'm going to have a link to the book plus a link to his website in the show notes so you'll be able to take a look at it. If you're listening to this, it's conflictingloyaltiescom and you could purchase the book right there on his site. You also can go right to the show notes and I'll have a link directly to the Amazon link if you want to go there. Plus, I will have some links to more of his social media. So I've got listed Facebook, instagram, tiktok and Twitter. Which one are you most active on, if people want to ask some questions?
Aiden Gabor:I don't want to ask any questions. I have a group that looks at it, keeps an eye on it. But Facebook, she's the biggest and you can probably send questions through at conflictingautoscom. I think there's a little thing on there you can add and ask questions on there also.
Brad Minus:Okay, that's fantastic. I do want to ask this one final question. For 15 years on the police force, I'm imagining you did some good too, right? I mean, you were a cop and this wasn't all just you going after the bad cops, was it?
Aiden Gabor:No, oh no, I did a lot of good. I did every time I saw people from the wives I stopped their big robberies, we stopped ding beatings and stuff. And for a little while when I was on there they put me on an apprehensive task force and stuff with a little homicide. And you know, you kind of learn everything when you're doing it and you got to go with what you got to do there. But yeah, I've done it.
Brad Minus:So you did 15 plus years of really good work too. I think going after the dirty cops was great too, but you did 15 plus years of solid work and I think that's a testament to you. Just because you mentioned that you were diagnosed with ALS and I know that you were diagnosed around 2020, right after the pandemic how are you feeling now?
Aiden Gabor:Medications I'm using with my hands, especially my left hand, but other than that I take my medicines, I'm learning walking. I fall down several times. I can't run at all. I think every day take a little bit more. As long as I do my exercises, hopefully I can be around a couple more years. You know it used to be. I was never afraid to die. Now I want to live to make the world a better place. Because I want to try and make the world better. So I'm trying to live every moment to help educate people. It doesn't matter the high faith, any religion, just get spiritual and that's what makes the world better 100%.
Brad Minus:I couldn't have said it better myself. Aidan, I wish you all the best of luck with getting better as much as you possibly can, and on the book. This has been a real education and a wonderful conversation. I think this is going to help a lot of people. I really appreciate you taking some time and having this conversation Well, thank you so much.
Aiden Gabor:It was an honor for me to be on. It's one of the best ones, and not the best podcast I've been on.
Brad Minus:Thank you so much, thank you and for the rest of you, for Aiden and myself. Thank you for listening. If you liked the episode, go ahead and share it to somebody that might get something out of it and put a you know, put a quick review down there for us. I would really appreciate it. Have a great one and we will see you in the next one.
